Come on guys tell us all about "the Class".
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Tue May 30, 2006 12:52 am ] |
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Come on guys tell us all about "the Class".
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| Author: | Tim McKnight [ Tue May 30, 2006 3:04 am ] |
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Wellllllllllllll, words can't begin to describe the experience. The knowledge gained will forever impact the way I approach building instruments in the future. Ervin recommends that all students should have several guitars under their belt as a pre-requisite. I think he may want to expound on this and suggest that they have a couple [dozen] under thier belts before attending. There were several students who only had a couple of guitars completed to date and we could see they were struggling with digesting all of the information [this as no reflection on Ervin nor his abilities as a teacher]. This is definately not a class for beginners. With that said I would POSITIVELY recommend this class for any advanced builder who wants to learn more about the flat top guitar voicing process. |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Tue May 30, 2006 4:00 am ] |
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I can absolutely say, without one shred of doubt or over exaggeration that Ervin has advanced my building by 20 years of banging around by myself in the dark. This knowledge is beyond price. Ervin is a fantastic teacher and he breaks a VERY complicated subject down into a very managable systemitized approach. Tim is absolutely right, you want to have the "construction" elements of building guitars down before you attend this class, but once you do.... you absolutely have to do it. Here are a couple of pics.. 
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| Author: | dgalas [ Tue May 30, 2006 4:57 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Tim McKnight] Wellllllllllllll, words can't begin to describe the experience. The knowledge gained will forever impact the way I approach building instruments in the future. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Brock Poling] I can absolutely say, without one shred of doubt or over exaggeration that Ervin has advanced my building by 20 years of banging around by myself in the dark. [/QUOTE] Told ya' so! 
So, do you have any tops or backs that need the braces carved off so you can start over? I had three. What jigs are you going to build first? |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Tue May 30, 2006 5:01 am ] |
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I hate to say I told you so...but... I TOLD YOU SO! Did your wife and kids recognize you? Brock, Only 20 yrs...you must have been pretty advanced already... 
Gotta get "I've been to E.S. and survived" t-shirts. |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Tue May 30, 2006 5:01 am ] |
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Yeah... I believed you before... but now I REALLY believe you. Jigs... where to start. I guess I am going to build some of those tapping molds and remake a bunch of my outside molds to incorporate a few of his ideas, from there have only about 40 or 50 others on the list. 
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Tue May 30, 2006 5:05 am ] |
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See those tall thin braces...mmmmmm..."that will never work"
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| Author: | Tim McKnight [ Tue May 30, 2006 5:25 am ] |
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The cube rule was quite eye opening when constructing the braced foam board tops. Yeah, the tapping mold is the first tool on my list as well. I have already been deflection testing for several years but my metric's will now need to be re-calibrated to my new "ES" standard. I just hope USPS handles my tops with care. Dale,did you attend the Jan 2006 class? Dave, what year did you attend? |
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| Author: | JonChowning [ Tue May 30, 2006 5:40 am ] |
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the class was a real eye-opener for me. I will be reading thru all the handouts for weeks to come... I am going to build the tapping mold setup too. In addition, I also realized that I need to go back and re-evaluate all my guitar wood sets. Somogyi gave us a really good understanding of what to look for when selecting tone woods. -Jon- |
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Tue May 30, 2006 6:14 am ] |
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So, guys, what surprised you the most? Also, regarding those tall & thin braces, would he modify those any further? |
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| Author: | Andy Zimmerman [ Tue May 30, 2006 6:24 am ] |
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i am being stupid again....what is a tapping mold? |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Tue May 30, 2006 6:32 am ] |
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Hi Tim, It was the February class...either 2003 or 2004 I'm not sure. Does he still do the "what's wrong with the guitar in this picture" segment. That alone was worth the price of admission. I am telling you...I would take the course again...just to really get things to sink in. There was sooooo much! 
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Tue May 30, 2006 6:37 am ] |
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[QUOTE=JonChowning] the class was a real eye-opener for me. I will be reading thru all the handouts for weeks to come... I am going to build the tapping mold setup too. In addition, I also realized that I need to go back and re-evaluate all my guitar wood sets. Somogyi gave us a really good understanding of what to look for when selecting tone woods. -Jon-[/QUOTE] Welcome Jon. :-) |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Tue May 30, 2006 6:42 am ] |
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[QUOTE=azimmer1] i am being stupid again....what is a tapping mold?[/QUOTE] It really is impossible to "pick apart" Ervin's method. You really have to get the "whole show" for it to make any sense. Before the class I had heard that people who came back "wouldn't tell you about it"... but in truth... and after seeing it.... there is no way to explain it. He takes you clear back to the tree and the structure of wood and builds you up from there. But to answer your question the tapping mold is sort of like an ourside mold that you clamp your top in when you are beginning to voice it. It is mostly an instructional tool he uses, but I am going to use it to voice my guitars. I think the next time he teaches this will be February of 07 if he sticks to his "traditional" schedule. They May class was an extra one this year. |
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| Author: | dgalas [ Tue May 30, 2006 6:53 am ] |
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Tim, I was in the class in February '06. It was a week I will cherish. Wonderful people and like everyone here has said, an eye (and ear) opening experience. I did catch a NASTY cold while attending the class, but that gave me some laid-up time when I got home to get through a good chunk of the handouts! Cheers, -Dave |
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| Author: | ggdelazzer [ Tue May 30, 2006 7:24 am ] |
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Absolutely envious... 
Gg |
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| Author: | John Lewis [ Tue May 30, 2006 9:40 am ] |
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Hi guys- How much is his class? Thanks- |
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| Author: | Todd Rose [ Tue May 30, 2006 10:55 am ] |
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To find out more about the class and to get in touch with Ervin for pricing, etc, go to www.esomogyi.com |
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| Author: | Tim McKnight [ Tue May 30, 2006 12:09 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=CarltonM] So, guys, what surprised you the most? Also, regarding those tall & thin braces, would he modify those any further?[/QUOTE] Surprising you ask? Well .... every minute ... to be exact ... was eye opening. Each individual brace is unique and is treated just that way, individually. To say you thin the X to a specific dimension and the finger braces to another dimsension is a misnomer. |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Tue May 30, 2006 12:23 pm ] |
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Tim, sounds like you really got something from Mr. S. That makes me happy. Mostly because I prayed so hard that you would. Ervin is something special. some pics from when I was there... KATHY WINGERT - back of her head :
MAESTRO, JUDY THREET AND MIKE GREENFIELD: 
MAESTRO AND THE TAPPING MOLD: 
A Masterpiece made by the Maestro himself: 
Tim by the dates on the pics I must have been in the Feb. 2004 class. Mind blowing!  |
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Tue May 30, 2006 12:26 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Tim McKnight] [QUOTE=CarltonM] So, guys, what surprised you the most? Also, regarding those tall & thin braces, would he modify those any further?[/QUOTE] Surprising you ask? Well .... every minute ... to be exact ... was eye opening. Each individual brace is unique and is treated just that way, individually. To say you thin the X to a specific dimension and the finger braces to another dimsension is a misnomer. [/QUOTE] Thanks, Tim. Anybody else? |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Tue May 30, 2006 3:26 pm ] |
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and I got to sleep in a room packed floor to ceiling full of brazilian... oh, the smell...
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